Closing statements: Day 2 – Circular Firing Squad

And then there was breakfast

There were some good points made today, but the main one was a big shrug – “not me, mate”. In this blog post I’m going to focus on what was said by the various core participants’ barristers. For more on what it was like to be there and why there’s a basket full of chocolate brussel sprouts on the Inquiry ante-room island, please subscribe to my newsletter (details below or here), which I’ll aim to get out tomorrow.

For the first time in a while, the hearing room was full, with a decent complement of journalists, lots of Subpostmasters, lawyers and the usual engaged members of the public. First up was the Post Office barrister Nicola Greaney KC, who seemed keen to phrase the scandal as little more than twenty-five years of bad corporate governance.

“When Post Office separated from Royal Mail Group in 2012” she said, “there was a failure to ensure board members and senior executives were briefed either on the fact that Post Office was a prosecutor or on the central importance of Horizon data to those prosecutions. There was a lack of clear lines of accountability for reporting on prosecutions to the board, which created the structural conditions for inadequate board oversight of prosecutions. This in turn severely reduced the board’s effectiveness in holding the executive to account. Similarly, there was a failure to share the first Clarke Advice or its substance with the Post Office board. This appears to have arisen from a collective failure on the part of the then Post Office legal team to appreciate its full significance. and inadequate processes being in place for sharing the substance of key legal advice with the Board, rather than a deliberate attempt to prevent the advice being considered by the board.”

Well, that’s a moot point. Greaney went on:

“Consistent with the prevailing mindset that has been revealed in the evidence in Phases 3 and 4, Post Office’s response to the Second Sight interim report showed multiple failings on the part of the executive. They adopted a defensive attitude from the start, the Second Sight’s negative findings, and consistent with an assumption of Postmaster fault, refused to entertain the possibility that Horizon, or Post Office’s treatment of Postmasters, including inadequate training and support were to blame. The evidence also shows that the board failed properly to scrutinise either the Second Sight interim report or Susan Crichton’s update paper for the July 2013 board meeting. Given the concerns raised about the existence of bugs, about Post Office’s investigation function and about the treatment of postmasters, the board’s failure to challenge the executive was a significant one, particularly given the concerns raised by the board about claims for wrongful prosecution leading to a notification to insurance.”

Nicola Greaney KC

On where we are now, Greaney feels the Post Office is at a “critical juncture”, reminding everyone that the Post Office “has been loss-making since its separation from RMG in 2012. In the face of significant commercial and structural challenges, those losses are expected to worsen in the future. The Government has nonetheless long held the view that Post Office should be financially self-sustaining and not rely on Government subsidy. Post Office is looking forward to receiving greater clarity from Ministers as to how that could or should be achieved. policy objectives that would underpin it.”

Greaney addressed compensation, recognising that “until all Postmasters receive full and fair redress, there is no prospect of them achieving closure in respect of their status of these terrible events. Post Office remains fully committed to playing its part in ensuring that postmasters receive full and fair redress as quickly as possible. It has been the long-held view of Post Office that the compensation scheme should be run independently of Post Office because the perpetrator of injustice should not administer the assessment of redress. It is also Post Office’s view that legal advice should be offered when the £75,000 fixed sum is offered to postmasters. Simon Recaldin [Post Office Remedian Unit Director] has informed DBT of his view that there should be consideration of extending the schemes to family members and Post Office welcomes DBT’s consideration of this.”

Greaney told Sir Wyn Williams, the Inquiry Chair, that the “Post Office would be happy to provide further written updates to the inquiry as to the progress of the redress schemes if that would assist the inquiry.”

The came the Vennells blame bus

Sam Leek KC

In a bid to avoid criminal charges, Paula Vennells attempted to paint herself as one of the worst CEOs in history. Loads of stuff was clearly going on, but she knew nothing about it, either because her skillset precluded her from knowing anything, or because her scurrilous/incompetent execs weren’t telling her about it. As soon as she did find something out, she told her superiors, who did nothing. Vennells’ barrister Samantha Leek KC said:

“Taking over the helm of Post Office at the time of separation from RMG we have heard was a gargantuan task. It was simply not possible to delve personally into each matter raised, nor realistic that she [Vennells] would have the expertise in all disciplines to do so. Why should she not have been entitled to trust Ms [Susan] Crichton, Mr [Mike]Young and Ms [Lesley] Sewell to give her the unvarnished position. Ms Vennells had no background in IT and was never employed by post office in an IT role. Post Office had an IT department which included IT technical specialists and senior managers – for example Mr Young and later Ms Sewell – whose role was to keep the board and the executive team in full. of important matters. Ms Vennells relied and submits that she was entitled to rely on Post Office’s IT function to provide accurate information to her, to the board and to the executive.”

Warming to Vennells’ ‘naming names’ theme, Leek told the Inquiry:

“The receipts and payments mismatch bug in HNGX was discovered in September 2010. have affected up to 62 branches, with two branches being impacted twice. Fujitsu prepared a paper dated 29 September 2010 for a meeting with POL [Post Office Ltd] to discuss the bug. They noted that the bug was impacting around 40 branches. Mr Young accepted that he was informed of in February 2011, several months after its discovery. Miss Sewell was aware of the bug by the 4th of March 2011. Miss Vennells was not made aware of the bug until May 2013. The inquiries had no evidence to the contrary. Mr Young and Miss Sewell both accepted that they did not escalate their knowledge of the bug to Ms Vennells when they first became aware of it.”

It wasn’t just her IT guys. Her former sidekick Angela van den Bogerd and the hapless Head of Product and Branch Accounting Rod Ismay “knew, at the latest in early 2011, that Fujitsu could, in certain circumstances, alter branch data remotely without Sub-postmasters’ knowledge. They were two of a substantial number of POL managers who had been made aware of this by 5 January 2011. There is no evidence that any of these managers escalated their knowledge to the board or the executive team. It is clear from the oral evidence of two of the most senior managers involved, Mr Ismay and Ms Van den Bogerd, that they did nothing to escalate their knowledge. Ms Vennells still does not understand why they would not have done so. The knowledge with which Mr Ismay is fixed runs directly contrary to what he had written in the Ismay report as to there being no backdoors in Horizon.”

Next up – legal. Leek told the Inquiry that Susan Crichton, the Post Office General Counsel had said in Jan 2012 “The business has also won every criminal prosecution in which it has used evidence based on the Horizon evidence systems integrity.”

Leek says Vennells “had no reason to question this” and so this is what she told James Arbuthnot on 18 June 2012. Leek said “Ms Vennells now knows and accepts that that was false. She still does not understand why Ms Crichton failed to give her accurate information but would not have considered that she needed to verify what she was being told by her General Counsel.”

Of the Clarke Advice, Leek says: “Simon Clarke sent his expert evidence advice to Post Office on 17 July 2013, the day after the 16 July board meeting. Its circulation appears to have been limited to Ms Crichton, Mr [Rodric] Williams, Mr [Hugh] Flemington [all from the Post Office legal team] and Mr Parsons of Bond Dickinson. Ms Crichton confirmed that the document was not sent to the board. Ms Crichton did not set out in writing anywhere a complete or accurate summary of the substance of Mr Clarke’s advice. It was her job to do so. Nor did her successor Mr Aujard. Indeed, while Mr. Aujard received a copy of the advice in a briefing pack from Cartwright King, he claimed [he wasn’t sure] whether he had read it in detail. He suggested that his view at the time was that it was a “historic detail” that was being dealt with through the case review process. This might go some way to explaining the messaging received by Ms Vennells.”

Vennells was told the gist of the Clarke Advice, but “in a way which was piecemeal, unstructured and incomplete.”

Leek explained: “First, Cartwright-King’s advice that Post Office was obliged to review past prosecutions was summarised in Ms Crichton’s update paper for the board meeting of 16 of July 2013. Second, this paper did not mention Mr [Gareth] Jenkins, nor the fact that Cartwright-King had advised Post Office that it was obliged to disclose the two bugs in HNGX and the Helen Rose report. Third, it also did not mention that Mr Jenkins and Post Office had breached duties as an expert witness and prosecutor, respectively.”

Leek then delivered her summary. “Ms Vennells simply did not receive the information which she ought to have been given by her senior team, whom she trusted and to whom she delegated responsible roles… Ms Vennells still does not know why key information was not passed on to her and explained. She believed her senior team and General Counsel to be working hard and doing their best to investigate the Subpostmasters’ complaints in good faith. She had faith in them and as far as she was concerned had good working relationships with them. She is devastated by the fact that information was not shared with her. She has no desire to point the finger at others.”

At this point, there was laughter in the room.

Fujitsu does no longer heart the Post Office

Richard Whittam KC

Fujitsu built its UK empire on Horizon – a golden goose perched on the broken backs of hundreds of Subpostmasters. Was it responsible for the scandal? Not one jot. Was it going to get involved in giving Subpostmasters any help or compensation? Not bloody likely. Fujitsu’s barrister, Richard Whittam KC spent his time telling Sir Wyn Williams what a dreadful organisation it had for a client. On the issue of bugs, errors and defects, Whittam said:

“Post Office has been aware for at least 25 years of the potential for and existence of bugs, errors and defects in the Horizon IT system, as well as the potential for those which are unknown and unresolved to exist. Post Office was also aware in 1999 of the potential for bugs, errors and defects and the impact upon the integrity of branch accounts.”

“By way of illustration,” he said, helpfully “in the annex to Fujitsu’s final written closing submissions in this inquiry Fujitsu has identified at least 70 individuals within Post Office and Royal Mail in relation to whom the inquiry has received unequivocal evidence of their knowledge of bugs, errors and defects. This includes members of the Post Office board, senior executives, in-house lawyers, as well as individuals working in Post Office’s security and investigations teams.”

On remote access Whittam said: “Fujitsu has reiterated this position throughout the inquiry. Remote access was and remains a necessary part of the suite of support tools available to manage the live operation of the Horizon IT system, including the attempts to rectify bugs, errors and Indeed, support staff from Fujitsu state in evidence that they could have not done their jobs or operated Horizon without it. In its opening statement to this inquiry, Fujitsu submitted, I’m sure you will recall so, that the Post Office had been aware from an early stage of Fujitsu’s ability to remotely access the Horizon system. That submission has been borne out by the evidence given to the inquiry, and was belatedly accepted by Post Office in its final closing submissions.”

Which rather begs a question I have put before – why did Fujitsu not tell anyone that the Post Office was lying to the public and to journalists over the issue of remote access. Perhaps, it was, as Whittam said, Fujitsu was “inappropriately deferential to Post Office”. This was the reason given for Fujitsu’s role producing boilerplate witness statements used in court to ruin Subpostmasters’ lives. Whittam says Fujitsu “recognises that it failed properly to support those of its employees who engaged directly with Post Office and its lawyers in respect of prosecution support. This is particularly so for those who engaged directly with the Post Office in the provision of documentary and witness evidence in relation to post office prosecutions and civil actions. With technical employees often left to engage directly with post office internal and external lawyers, rather than having appropriate mechanisms by which to monitor and support those employees. In his written closing submissions, Gareth Jenkins notes particular failings of Fujitsu in its management and oversight of the prosecution support which he came to be required to provide. So I can make it clear that Fujitsu accepts those failings.”

So – maybe Fujitsu is culpable after all? As for Fujitsu’s benighted Distinguished Engineer Gareth Jenkins, his barrister, Claire Dobbin KC, took an hour of the Inquiry’s time to tell us the same four things over again in slightly different ways. On one occasion, she helpfully numbered her points:

Claire Dobbin KC

“First, the Post Office was well aware of the bugs and issues that it was accusing Mr Jenkins or Fujitsu of not having disclosed. Second, that Mr Jenkins was not instructed at all. expert in a single case in which he gave evidence. Third, that this failure to instruct Mr. Jenkins as an expert was apparent to Cartwright King and Post Office from the point of the clerk advice in 2013. Fourth, that Post Office as an organisation and individual investigators and prosecutors did not know or did not apply basic laws and rules and guidance which apply to prosecuting.”

And that – more or less – is all you need to know.

Finally, the Department for Business and Trade, on behalf of the government had a go. Nick Chapman KC pointed the finger at those within the Post Office who “acted in the despicable way that it did because of the choices of those people individually and collectively, and this scandal involves a cast of characters from inside and outside the Post Office, including, but by no means limited to, the Post Office Board and executives, staff in its branch support, communications, IT and security and investigation teams” plus “employees of Fujitsu, the NFSP leadership, central government and its agencies, and perhaps most invidiously and reprehensibly of all, lawyers, all contributed in their own way to this scandal.”

The scandal was “a story of false assurances of a culture of secrecy of spin doctors of untruths and half-truths repeated as mantra to board members, officials ministers, MPs and the great British public. Of institutional and individual arrogance, incompetence, dishonesty and cover-up. Of misleading official advice, of false testimony, of disclosure failures, of bad lawyers. Most of all perhaps. It’s a story which has its origins in the Post Office’s corporate attitude of contempt for the very people who are the face and the heart of the institution.”

And whilst the whole thing was mostly the Post Office’s fault, Chapman accepted DBT “is ultimately accountable for the actions perpetrated by the Post Office. The simple and inescapable truth is that it failed to prevent this scandal from happening and the Department is responsible for the system of oversight over the Post Office… that system failed to provide adequate scrutiny and challenge in relation to Horizon and ultimately it failed to escalate and expose the right information to the right people in government.”

But… “time and again, the Post Office provided materially false, misleading or incomplete information to government ministers, to Parliament, to the criminal courts and to the British public at large. Frequently, especially before mid-2018, the officials from ShEx/UKGI, whose job it was to scrutinise and challenge the Post Office at the tier above the board, identify and surface risks and provide impartial, objective and well-researched information and advice to ministers, appear to have done not much more than repeat what the Post Office told them.”

Chapman said a number of good things about Postmaster redress, failures of lawyers and the misinformation passed to ministers by conniving Post Office execs and board members, but this blog post is getting long enough. Rather than duplicate it here – do have a look at today’s tweet thread where I have quoted Chapman and the other barristers verbatim.

At the end of the day, Sir Wyn Williams issued a series of thank yous, including to those “who attend in person as opposed to remotely for their good humor, discipline, and ability to sit through evidence and submissions, which no doubt some of them found extremely difficult to hear and take in.”

Then Sir Wyn acknowledged the “question on all your lips: ‘but when will he report?’. He told the assembled:

“Genuinely, I do not know, and so I make no promises other than I will report as quickly as I sensibly can once I am satisfied, and I need to be satisfied, of all my crucial conclusions. That is, without doubt, many months away, but I hope it’s not much longer than that, and that’s all you’re getting from me by way of a prediction.”

Boss level

And with that, he and his assessors walked out to a spontaneous and lengthy ovation from the audience. One barrister with experience of inquiries told me he’d never seen that before. After three long years, Williams clearly still holds the confidence of the room. Now he has to deliver.


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40 responses to “Closing statements: Day 2 – Circular Firing Squad”

  1. Did the Post office board live in an alternate world? How could they claim ignorance when all the faults of Horizon were before the general public in say Private Eye and many more sources for many many years?

  2. So there we have it,

    Firstly a big thank you to Nick for his efforts in covering this enquiry.

    Three years and untold millions expended, for what? The truth? I very much doubt that we have or ever will get the real “truth” behind this travesty of justice. Alan Bates and the JSPM have done their absolute best and have exposed at least in part the establishment for what it is: rotten to the core.

    Sadly they only need to look back at previous enquiries of this type, to know that those responsible will always manage to avoid accepting responsibility and be punished for their actions.

    The Infected blood scandal, Hillsborough, Kegworth, even to an extent Aberfan, and numerous others, which have just as the establishment intended, faded from our collective consciousness, except of course for all those affected .

    Sadly as all the pessimists and cynics predicted it seems unlikely that the compensation scheme will ever compensate those affected or those responsible brought to “jusice” (whatever that is).

    There will be no prosecutions of those who at best have obfuscated their way through this enquiry

    There will be no prosecutions and striking off of various solicitors, KCs and oter associated personnel, who have lied, obfuscated and perjured themselves and brought the already poorly regarded legal “profession” into disrepute.

    The establishment will close ranks and walk away.

    They will hope that all those affected by this travesty will quietly withdraw into obscurity and business as usual will be resumed, after all how dare ordinary people think that they are entitled to a fair and just society.

    My friends who ran a PO for 35 years, so both pre and post Horizon finally managed to sell their PO, although they still follow the proceedings, they just want to enjoy the twighlight years of their lives rather than railing against the injustice and money that this fiasco has cost them.

  3. There is an uncomfortable parallel between (ordained priest) PV’s inability to take responsibility for POL and Welby’s failure to demonstrate that he actually understands and bears his responsibility regarding past child abuse in the CofE.

  4. First an acknowledgement of Nick Wallis superb work over years in keeping this moving and also of Private Eye and Computer Weekly. It still astonishes me that no one in the Post Office had any knowledge of the publicity arising from this epublications that eventually was seemn occasionally in the mainstream press.
    In examining the Inquiry as a whole there seem to be four categories of witnesses
    1 The sub Postmasters who presented their various cases with dignity and apparent integrity. It seemed unlikely to a neutral observer that there were many bad ‘uns in this group.
    2 The mid to junior rank post office employees, generally not very bright, generally I suspect not vindictive (apart from the Investigators) but happy to toe the party line without thought or question
    3The higher ranks of management, Board and executive a group of people with no sense of propriety , no curiosity and amber soft group think. Generally interested in their remuneration and a quiet life unable to see priorities such as justice and fairness . Tim Parker typifies the approach when claiming to be very busy he reduces his work at the Post Office from two days a week to two days per month.
    4 The civil Servants and Lawyers who concentrated on minutiae, technical matters and obfuscation. Unwilling to take any responsibility for anything and diverting accountability at all times. The language used is seemingly precise but also glib in moving the argument away from anything they might have to admit. Thomson on the last days says DBT accepts responsibility but qualifies the admission by say (per Vennells) that he wasn’t given th right information.
    All in all a pitiful example of british management.
    Finally a word of thanks to the Inquiry team and the llawyers acting in the inquiry as well as the those in the background supporting the SPMs. you have helped bring this towards a conclusion. Hopefullysome good will come from it.

  5. Thank you for your reporting over this inquiry. It has been excellent, and I look forward to reading your book.

  6. So, there appears to be at least 2 conspiracies that were going on. The first was the conspiracy to conceal the truth from the postmasters, MP’s, and the press/media, and the second one to conceal the truth from Ms Vennels(and possibly others who may/may not have been in a position to “push back” and reveal the “wickedness” that was prevalent.
    When so many “educated” people in powerful positions in any organisation seem to lack the moral courage to question the validity of “this is how the post Office does things”, I am minded to make this comment, which I cannot attribute to anyone(except perhaps myself).
    “Some people have only the five senses that they were born with, having failed to acquire or develop the sixth, and possibly most important one(common sense), to take them through life in such a way that their peers would be of the view that that person “made a contribution”.

  7. If anyone has yet to read Jane Davies’ witness statement (WITN11650100) that was uploaded with the final batch of uploads, give it a read. Very interesting stuff.

    1. Good grief! The executive-level toxicity, usually only glimpsed or partly sanitised in other accounts, laid bare in all its lurid detail. That one came in under the radar – well done for spotting it. Glad to see Nick has picked up on it in the latest blog.

  8. Distancing personal culpability with constant cries of Post Office regrets, Post Office has learnt lessons (lol), etc., etc. Along with toting the PV defence “How could I know what was going on, why should I know what was going on, and whilst desperate not to throw anyone under the bus, it was everyone else not telling me what was going on”. Ding ding, fares please!
    Very few of the POL players come through this looking good but PV’s refusal to accept any blame whatsoever or see that being in that position and taking the huge salary means you don’t get to hide behind anyone. The buck stops with you! You line up to take the blame and everyone else gets to line up behind you for their share. The woman is detestable.

    1. The godmother refusing blame for ignoring the Horizon problems is like Captain Smith ignoring multiple ice warnings.

  9. How thick do you have to be not to be able to understand the implications of “Unrestricted access to privileged IT functions increases the risk of inappropriate/unauthorised access which may lead to the processing of unauthorised or erroneous transactions” without advice from an IT expert?
    A CEO of a major British company can’t understand what a “transaction” is? Something she does every day when paying or receiving money from/to her bank account?
    It’s as believable as a Oxbridge graduate not knowing the difference between civil and criminal proceedings.

    Criminally incompetent, the pair of them. Just for starters.

  10. really impressive set of arguments from Claire Dobbin KC. The parties aiming to put the blame on Jenkins for everything lost credibility when she forensically highlighted the facts.

    1. But none of that excuses Gareth Jenkins saying that Horizon was flawless when he knew it wasn’t. That was untrue and he knew it when he said it in court. That’s perjury.

  11. Horizon was a heap of junk (putting it nicely) from the outset. Some of those involved in producing it have openly said that. The exercise whereby 300 branches were trailed with it in 1999 was a failure. It was worse than an earlier computer installation then in use. Postmasters said it would be disastrous. Suddenly accounts could not be balanced, pointing to the new system. But PO ignored all that, and the rest is history. Fujitsu also knew about the issues. The only way it could keep the lid on Horizon’s spurious failings and uncommanded data corruptions was by constant secret access to the Postmasters’ accounts. They could make any change as if sitting at the Postmaster’s keyboard, and in total secrecy.
    So the bugs and the remote access go back to the very beginning of Horizon.

    These are vital facts about a software system that is crucial to the survival and viability of the Post Office. It simply is not credible that a new CEO would not be apprised of the full Horizon situation in the light of the factory-style prosecution system then in full swing. For Vennels there are no excuses. She sat in the big chair and accepted the responsibility. The buck stops with her. What I find more credible is that she was under direct orders from the Ministry to protect the reputation of Horizon by any means. That meant hiring incredibly expensive lawyers at taxpayers’ expense and using the legal system to blame and ruin many hundreds of innocent people, just to maintain a hopeless software suit in operation for a supplier that has many government contracts beyond POL. The claim that government has a ‘hands off’ relationship with POL is, to quote Black Adder, “a lie of sorts”. It has the same relationship with POL as Fujitsu has with Postmasters’ branch accounts.

    1. A contract that makes SPMs responsible for losses;
      along comes Horizon who creates illusionary losses;
      PO mob tell each and every SPM:
      “You are the only one having problems with Horizon”.
      The perfect ingredients for a multi-million corporate criminal cake?

      The thing is, how many rogues and shysters shared that cake?

  12. I would share the concern about the backsliding that could occur when the scandal fades from the spotlight. If you consider that during the enquiry and under the spotlight POL targeted its own NEDs, giving at least one of them the full “thugs in suits” treatment, weaponised the whistleblowing complaint by the former chief people officer against its chairman (see her rebuttal letter to the Parliamentary select committee https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/44373/documents/220654/default/), had its company secretary follow the company line on this to the enquiry, repeatedly failed in its disclosure duties, neutered the testimony of its current General Council under the cloak of privilege, delayed its much lauded “transformation plan” until it was impossible for the enquiry to examine it (I could go on). I do hope Nick that you don’t end up having to write another book in 5 years time, but if you do I’ll buy that one as well!

  13. It isn’t over till the fat lady sings. We await the inquiry to report and also for Nick to write another book! AnotherNick just bought another book before it was even written. Gullible? 😉

  14. “She has no desire to point the finger at others”.

    But quite happy for Samantha Leek to do the job for her …

    Self serving, weasel words from Paula right to the bitter end without accepting any responsibility at all – wonder if she’s thought of a career in politics.

    I’m going to be very disappointed if she doesn’t end up in jail, along with all the people she didn’t point the finger at.

    1. Don’t give her ideas!

  15. I particularly liked the way Sir Wyn closed yesterday by stating that he couldn’t remember anything. Hopefully this indicates the report will be of the same quality of the infected blood report and that he will adopt the same strategy of continuing monitoring of progress as applied in this inquiry. You are right – Sir Wyn – has a lot of trust and responsibility on his shoulders and I hope he has the courage and integrity to see this report through

    1. Yes, and just a few things from the Inquiry that I have followed avidly.

      Firstly, Nick Wallis has done a brilliant job with the blogs. Did I miss his name in the New Years Honours list?

      Secondly, my abiding utterance from the many days was ” you are either a liar, or incompetent!”

      Finally, is someone keeping an eye out for the compensation amounts paid out? As at August 2024 they were:

      Horizon Shortfall Scheme – £144m

      Group Litigation Order Scheme – £87m

      Overturned Convictions Scheme – £56m

      Horizon Convictions Redress Scheme – £1m

  16. Nicola Greaney referring to ‘the Post Office” instead of isolating those making decisions, naming them along with those taking action, is a strategy used by many to deflect blame and cause confusion and fails to deliver due diligence or meaningful dialogue. Disappointing strategy always, but used but many in the press when they say a”…..spokesperson….” etc which of course is a useless way of reporting…..
    Disappointed with the way that the investigator/interrogaters of SPM’s are sidelined by mere reporting that the PO no longer does it’s own prosecutions……For sure they should never been allowed to do so in the first place, but the fact that these individuals harassed and pretended an authority never intended or even invested in them, should surely have been factored into some of these final accounts at this stage?

    As for the arrow hurled at already badly injured Jo Swinson, re statement about Vennels knowing the Horizon fault, what a low swipe…..absolutely DISGRACEFUL, DISGUSTING and TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE and perpetuates the unacceptably appalling attitude the PO has towards SPM’s.

    Finally ,hold on, Vennels role was financial overview? Yet she FAILED to examine the role Horizon played in that very area? Also, why has nobody examined, if that was her role, why she didn’t notice that PO finances were being augmented by HUGE AMOUNTS of money taken from multiple SPM’s and the eye watering cost to the PO of the prosecutions? Also, who did she give authority to, or what was her involvement, when Hull SPM Janet’s house was taken away, if finances were her oversight remit??? So many questions unanswered or explored in this inquiry including where illegitimately procurred money was deposited and used which WAS VENNELL’S remit.
    Naivety, laziness, delusion, lack of due diligence, incompetence, total lack of good judgement or plain determination to place the blame anywhere but where it belonged………………………..so sad………
    Thank you Nick for keeping us up to date and admire your tenacity and ability to process such a multitude of issues.

  17. Nick, great summary of closing remarks. As an observer this is turning into a lawyer-fest.

    If I was a victim still waiting for compensation for my livelihood having been criminally trashed I would see this as an expensive sideshow.

    It is turning into a governance car crash of denial, delay and justice denied.

  18. Congratulations Nick for your perseverance and incisive reporting over the years, both of which have been of great service in bringing this scandal into the public domain. As a result there were lots of us who were well aware of the plight of the postmasters well before the ITV film. (And it is great to see in your latest blog an acknowledgement of the benefits of a History degree!).

  19. I expect most of the senior guilty parties to get off with a slightly embarrassing part of their cv needing to be camouflaged, if it isn’t already.
    But as they’re all part of the establishment, it really shouldn’t be difficult for any of them to continue on the gravy train of top jobs in government bodies. After all, each of them is absolutely charming and they really can’t be answerable for a corporate body’s acts when all the other players were so clearly up to no good.
    One could ask what value they brought to the PO in their time there. They did very nicely with bonuses, and that would have been their main objective. But along the way they helped smoothed the path for fellow directors’ bonuses and that’s the way these big corporations operate.
    Presumably they can expect to get to the House of Lords once all this dies down, simply for their service record of umblemished ineptitude.

  20. I didn’t think that Nicola Greaney KC impressed anyone at all with her insistence on beginning almost every sentence with ‘Post Office ……. etc.’ One of the first things tutors instilled into us at University some time ago (History at Manchester) was never to write ‘Britain, (or France, or Germany) did this or that.’ Countries, or more relevantly here, businesses, don’t do anything. It is the individuals making the decisions within them who do. So it was within the Post Office.

    The argument for Vennells reminded me of a line from the old Movie ‘Waterloo’ when, after an encounter with a private soldier caught stealing a pig (the punishment for which was death) Wellington listens to the hopeless excuses put forward by the man, and says ‘This man knows how to defend a hopeless position. Promote him to corporal!’

    As I understand the argument, after naming a number of lower-level villains, Ms. Vennells did not want to point the finger at anyone. No wonder there was something of a giggle!

    Ms. Vennells to this day cannot understand why so many IT experts and legal eagles cruelly conspired against her.

    Ms. Vennells was familiar neither with the law nor with IT. She was merely the CEO of the company, and receiving a healthy salary commensurate with the role. She really shouldn’t have been expected to know anything, or to show any interest whatsoever as concern about Horizon became more and more wildly expressed, and not merely with most levels within the Post Office structure. She was, of course, far too busy to trouble herself with such details.

    I thought that the idea of the Roi Fainieant or ‘king “in nothing but in name” had perished with the deposition of Childeric III in 751 A.D. Who would have thought that it rose again in the Post Office management of teh 21st Century?

    1. Brilliant post Geoff Hewitt, it’s how corporate criminals and their hotshot lawyers cover up corporate crime. I can’t wait to read Nick Wallis’s The Great Post Office Cover Up.

  21. The “POL police” seem to have escaped scrutiny in the summing up. I feel, having listened to the entire inquiry, that they (John Scott et. al) are the originators of the vindictive culture of persecution.

    1. Good point – I wonder how much Vennells and Co knew about this lot and the way they worked. I had the misfortune to see them in action when I briefly worked as a postie in the 1970s – shattered my impression of the organisation. The performances yesterday by the KCs was a masterclass in non acceptance of blame and leadership. all the people involved were on massive salaries. They and their KCs seem to live in a world where you get vast amounts of money to do very little. Maybe Sir Wyn may look at this element – which seems to pervade British high level management and allows such scandals as this, the infected blood, Hillsborough and Grenfell to happen

    2. Impersonating police officers??? Fraud for sure?

    3. That’s phase 4. These summing up were 5-7

    4. I recall them being referred to as POID, post office investigation department when I used to work for Royal mail and also Parcel force. Some focus should also be on the staff on the so called “helpline” that told sub postmaster’s you’re the only one!

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      Interested Observer

      They may have originated it but there was undoubtedly a conspiracy [probably passive rather than active] to prevent their activities being examined by anyone neutral.

    6. Yes, totally agree. I have also just read the whistleblowers letter to Railton and others dated May 2024. Nick Read (hope he doesn’t get a bonus) and Ben Foat need closer scrutiny. It is a superb letter, worth reading.

      Talking of ‘Nicks’ Mr Wallis has done a brilliant job. Many thanks.

  22. Well done Nick for sticking with it til the end.Paula seems to have switched law firms.Mischon de Raya formerly?Ive had a couple of chats with Richard Whittam ,mostly about rugby and his statement is in line with the timetable they gave Sir Wyn,70 names who knew of problems.

    1. Nope – the corker binning sign (Gareth Jenkins) slid across the desk. Still mishcons.

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      Interested Observer

      It is interesting that the list of 70 names, with method of communication, what and when was not surfaced earlier and publicly available.

      Then the 70 individuals could have been cross examined and asked what they knew and when. It would have stopped a lot of the obvious lying.

      It would have made it easier to figure out the spread and tangle of the web of deception and obfuscation that POL have relied on assisted by their overpaid lawyers who haven’t done a great job.

      But there again with so many lies and so much disappearing evidence and audit trail it is hard to fabricate a good story!

  23. So all this proves that no one is to blame. Like Zeno’s proof that the arrow never reaches the target.

    1. Or the Zeno paradox that the Post Office Tortoise had a head start and can’t be caught by our swift and otherwise invincible hero Achilles Alan.

      The tortoise plays for time and knows this is the Achilles heel of Alan Bates and his gallant warriors.

      A heroic epic of a decades long battle against the shape shifting shell bound reptilians whose faceless bureaucrats launched a thousand writs.

      A tragedy on the horizon that should warn all those involved in IT projects to beware of Geeks bearing gifts. Especially when the gift of a robust and reliable system was too good to be true. Or false depending on your Boolean logic, if not legal ethics.

      In this case the robust walls of the system had its logic gates wide open – from the inside out.

      Those inside the walls knew, but couldn’t escape from illogical siege mentality and corporate cover up.

      Slow horses?

    2. Actually, when Julian Watts started the Banks Signature Forgery Campaign against banks forging signatures on British court documents, resulting in victims losing their homes, it got lots of support but ended as a damp squib – when the NCA wrote to Harriett Baldwin MP saying they could find no evidence.

      Now I don’t know anything about bank signature forgery but I do have hard evidence of a certain insurance company (now part of another insurance company) who did actually produce forged documents containing forged signatures before a British court. The court responded by setting the case down for a trial but the insurance company’s in-house lawyer colluded with the defence lawyer to conceal important evidence and to prevent the trial from taking place.

      The in-house lawyer later left the company and became (surprise, surprise) a partner at WBD.

      Unfortunately we have far too many scoundrels and shysters within the legal system who will use every trick in the book to whitewash the PO mob. We, the public must not let that happen, even if we have to march on Downing Street to get justice for the post office, we must do it.

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